Well then, if "Pure Bryce" is so important, why allow ANYTHING made in ANY other program at all? *** OK. Here's a REAL challenge to the "Pure Brycers" - let's see a "believably realistic" image of a person and/or animal (real species) done exclusively in Bryce (Primitives, booleans, etc.), using ONLY Bryce procedural textures - NO imported image maps. Try THAT for your first "Pure Bryce" challenge. Anybody who can do that will definitely have me burning incense in front of his/her/its picture as a certifiable 3DGod. Who needs to be a mere guru when you can be deified? ***** Agentsmith, I do see your point about the learning - and I will admit that in THIS particular context you are probably right. Just be sure to call it the "Bryce Purists' Challenge" so people know exactly what's happening here. Like I said, it just pushed a button when I saw this come up AGAIN - as it has for every single Bryce contest/challenge/anything-at-all I have seen since first joining the online art community. Anybody know where I can get a locking cover for that damned button?