Actually it was the 4.2 patch. In the end, I had to delete and start all over again. Which makes me a little nervous about P5. Last year on my old computer I was reinstalling poser on the average about every 5 or 6 weeks. This is the first time I had to do on my new computer, but it does get me wondering about how easy it will be to do this with P5. I have read the posts here and while some reassure, more create anxity about how it is all going to play out. I am a firm believer in computer and software security ever since my computer project in college got hacked and I had to spend an entire weekend rewritting and debugging the software that I had wrote. And I had to past the course to graduate. That was bad enough, but a cute young redhead type female and I had plans for that weekend to celebrate the end of the term and that all fell by the wayside. Anyway, since then I have always wanted the strongest security that I could get. The problem with security though, is how secure to make something and still have both user friendly and affordable. While not taking sides, I do wish that CL would re exam their system and make it more user friendly....