EricofSD, Thanks for your compliments. However, Stormrage still gets credit for finding the case so I could "nit-pick" it to death and apply it to the P5 EULA. :0) I am sure that, by now, I am probably looked upon by many as being anti-CL/Poser. I am more concerned with consumer advocacy/protection than "company bashing", or whatever terms people may decide to use. In the end, I think that by bringing up these issues and allowing the company (be it CL, DAZ, Microsoft, etc) to address them benefits all consumers. I hope that this whole debacle will get solved to the mutual satisfaction of all sides. I have seen P5 and it lessens some of the issues I came across in P4PP, which would be beneficial for what I need it for. However, until such ambiguities are clarified, I find it hard to conscientiously purchase or recommend the product.