Zhann, My guess - an egg from a 'not quite a chicken yet' bird. If you believe in the Creation as told in Genesis then you would have to say the chicken. Either way I guess you'd have to have been there to say for sure. Zen seems to ask more questions than it answers, not so? Agent Smith, You don't need to thank me for having good taste. I didn't comment on the other one because I couldn't see why someone would have that many globes on the table. I still have to erase the scientist to draw the artist in the canvass of the mind as they are drawn on and fill the same page. humorix, I guess I'm still overly sensitive about a continuing series of arguments I had with a now banned member several months back. Since that time I try not to be too argumentitive, and try to curtail any discussion that looks like it is headed negatively at some point before it gets out of hand. Unfortionately, you got a small dose of my oversensitivity. I am sorry. Zhann(again), People who I think are Gurus who are either Mods or as far as I know not Brycers and thus not interested in the outcome: Agent Smith, smerc, Lyrra, Sharen Custer, hauksdottir, Anton, Kozaburo, Scott Ayres . . . there are many others. Any of these and many others who have the time and inclination would probably be good judges should it be necessary to go beyond the normal voting process. gonna go get some rest now, - TJ