That's not what I mean't. But I hear ya Bloodsong ;-). Thanks for the responses everyone. I don't use the people much at all and you've pointed out some new things to me about them. I ended up remaking Posette. Including the buttocks area with the thighs and no seperate group needed for getting the JP's set up. It poses better than the EV1 and still has the same grouping as the original so it should make conforming clothes a little easier. The only problem is I did all this then realized that I squashed the materials out of the .obj file like the EV1 figure is. So I have to make it over again. This time utilizing Kevin's perl utilities to save the standard materials. :-( Thanks for showing me the problem areas. I never noticed them before. My animals and monsters don't have butt's so I never knew about this problem until now. ;-) ScottA