sorry, I accidently deleted the post. Basically it just said that the Professional has a deadline, Bryce renders very slowly, and appears not yo be taken seriouly by professionals because of this. . . . clay, I know what raytracing is. I can even code simple raytracers and know some of the reasons why raytracing gets so slow, one of the first programming books I got was "Advanced Graphics Programming in C/C++" by Loren Heiny.(the first thing I did was modify the source so it compiled in less than a second rather than 15 minutes. The more features you add the slower raytracing gets. It is also directly related to the Speed of the CPU and the way the code is written. It is my feeling that patience and deadlines don't always get along. It's nice that you have Maya - I haven't been able to work with it yet so It's nice to know it won't be much faster. Have you worked with lightwave? I wonder how slow that is? TV quality I know is easy, but . . . Can you get up to Motion Picture quality with Bryce? - TJ