Again poser is a program in which I'm behind in my updates. I have poser 4 no propack. in P4 you can set the limits of a body part manually. double click the dialsetting you want and a dialogue box comes up. It's a lot of work but can be worth it if you remember to check the use limits box in the figure menu. Generally I use the 'two arrows' key to translate with the mouse and if i go to far immediately click edit/undo before I do anything else. when I'm done fine adjust by typing in values within the dials.(again, you double click to access the dialogue.) . . . bikermouse looks up at the Forum Header. Hey, this is the Bryce Forum! oh well, "... and having written moves on . . .". - TJ