Alle: The problem in Max(I have the Habware pluggin) as I see it is that after I import the original Victoria OBJ there are individual surface faces about 8 of them that are mapped in neverland ( stray Verts I think), I have fixed most of them but there are still a few more. The hip area has 2 faces and the left and right calfs have about 3 each, the eyes are another story...seamed to be mapped backwards, easy fix. I would like to hear from the max people in the Max forum on this. Jack: I agree that a great burden has been placed on the poser users (Traveler and others) to make Victoria into something. The Evo-1 was a great figure but did not catch on for whatever reason, Victoria may have the same fate. However, the joint parms in Victoria are what everyone asked for. I am sure as I am writing this that someone besides me has look at the possibilty of re-jointing Possete4 or Evo-1 with Victoria's Params. I have already replaced the head with Possete, I will post the image in a new thread. For me I will work with both for now. I have a lot of time and energy invested in Posette4, like 300 morphs but I had that many on Posette3 and I have not used her in ages. I am enjoying all the input from all the users, both pro and con. Lot of opinions lot of choices to make. To embrace or to cast out. Will be interesting to see. Paul Hafeli