Attached Link: http://www.the-estate.com Yeah, a MAT pose would work for this :) As for the rest of it, well, let's just say I don't do graphics >all< the time :) On a side note one of my ongoing projects is looking to use Poser as a way to illustrate some of the things we need for ... umm... educational demonstrations over at my other hobby site. Sadly, as a perfectionist I am having trouble with the joints in poser at extreme bends... sigh A difficult job to be sure :)