Heyyyyy Can I make this official??? Is this the loooooooooooooooongest post ever in the Bryce Forum??? And have we reached any conclusions?? If not can I get back to pondering over Zhann dilemma...which came first? A scrambled egg...a rubber chicken...a guru...a judge...??? This is all very taxing for the Brain and Michelangelo insists you use brains instead of brush for painting! :-( Is this multi-tasking or re-formatting?? Oohhhhhhh noooo another dilemma! Umm I better get back to blowing up pontoons and life jackets, before this post does a Titanic! And ummmm anybody seen Allen9?

My 2 cents about software as prizes. If you get a company to offer their latest software package, what happens if the winner can't use it because their system is too old/ too small/ too macintosh? I suppose the winner could sell it on ebay... Would it be possible to offer a choice of software or perhaps a credit of $500 worth of software from company Y? Could all the losers be sent the cookies? Lin

Those are good points to consider. And, yes if you can't use your prize, you can sell it, it would be YOUR property. But it would be great if someone was in that position, if they would give the members at Renderosity a chance at buying it first. My (personal) little fantasy is to see someone win something they don't have and then I can watch as their art changes/improves/expands because of said prize. Choice of software might happen. I would sure encourage the of prizes trading amongst winners, before them selling them off, lol! Mmmm....cookies. My girlfriend just made some oatmeal spice cookies a couple days ago...so good...so good... AgentSmith

"Poser Characters - I think this may have to be a catagory of its own, or perhaps a general "mesh import" catagory. Can't help with the Poser 3 vs. poser 5 thing, we have gone through that same discussion with Bryce 3 vs. Bryce 5." Just got Poser 5. So there. I simply couldn't resist announcing it. :-) I'm all for creating separate categories, with various things allowed in them. I think that all of us share Brendan's opinion: "What about a Bryce slander contest, yet again this week I had to read through a rundown of the best 3D software, only to see bryce restricted to being a Landscape renderer! Arrrgh!" Could we try to define categories? Or the majority is against them and for pure Bryce? In my opinion, every category should have "made by author" clause -- no other people's meshes, no presets that come with a program. Specifically, that would mean you cannot take the Enterprise mesh that's available on the ... forgot where, or Poser's "flying kick" pose", for instance. And I don't think that one point was addressed. Whether the judges, whoever they are, judge the mastery of Bryce or the pic itself. It may be self-evident, but I think it should be discussed.

If it must be made by you, then there is no poser at all...you did not make any of those meshes...you just paid for them. Poser must have its own category if we are going to allow it.

madmax, Regarding Poser I couldn't agree more. Poser Does not allow you to create your oun meshes, but lets remember that the more categories we have, the smaller the prizes are likely to be. I hear that Animotions was giving away a free copy of P5 to the winner and 5.00 DAZ gift certificates just for entering. How they got the sponsers to be so generous I don't know, but we can't expect as much here as Brycers are a much smaller community than Posers. we should try to find a way to limit catagories. Agent Smith, did the cookies have raisins in them. Living in Fresno I HAD to ask. we have now broken 100 replies(2500 to go.), - TJ

"If it must be made by you, then there is no poser at all...you did not make any of those meshes" That's why I said, "no presets that come with a program." I mean, it's easy to plop a preset pose and render it in Bryce. But go and create something like Martin Murphy or Sydd Raven, it's not that easy. Yes, that creates a problem, because you get the mastery of Bryce and Poser in one category. OTOH, why I'm arguing for the use of Poser, it's practically the only way to create a believable human character. I don't want to denigrate the undoubtable quality of Humorix's gladiators and some other works, but they are not that.

Yes, to the raisins...so good... There will definitely have to be some sort of Poser/Bryce catagory, it may just fall under a catagory that allows mesh imports. An Abstract catory. A Pure Bryce catagory. Let's suspend the post-work argument for a few minutes...what other Major themed catagories would you like to see? AgentSmith

Maybe best lighting, best modeling, and best composition. These are more like the Tori awards though. We have to decide if there will be major categories like that, and then to have subcategories such as poser, post work...etc. Or have we already decided? All I can surely say is to give enough categories so that the entries in each one will be somewhat similar in theme...making it much easier to vote on. We want to avoid a super huge contest with only guidline categories...or do we? I gues what I'm trying to get at is represented with this example: Topic 1: Best modeling: a. Poser and Mesh Imports (omitted for modeling challenge) b. Extensive post work c. Pure bryce Topic 2: Best Abstract: a. Poser and Mesh Imports b. Extensive post work c. Pure bryce Topic 3: Best lighting: a. Poser and Mesh Imports b. Extensive post work c. Pure bryce Topic 4: Best landscape: a. Poser and Mesh Imports b. Extensive post work c. Pure bryce Topic 5: Best seascape: a. Poser and Mesh Imports b. Extensive post work c. Pure bryce The list goes on..... That's what I personally want to see..feedback?

Madmax, I think that your categories are good. But will it present a problem in finding sponsors?

That's what I want to know...lol