Ooops - pressing Post Reply doesn't normally start a new paragraph... <:| I was going to add that sure, the high-end apps have some amazing features, but value-for-money-wise (!) they just do not compare. I think it's the new version of Maya that has an ocean algorithm, that allows you to create an infinite liquid plane and stick objects on it (boats, for eg.) Fair enough, the objects tilt depending on where you place them, but it seems to me pretty basic stuff. Amazingly, this feature is only in the 5K version of the s/w, not the 2K version!!!!