Crikey Poserschool! well done I point you to some of the install strings. I defragged all my drives, upped my virtual memory and went for it. The only crashes I have had are the common ones- moving between rooms too quickly. If you use firefly with all the rendering options checked you'll have time for a nice cup of tea ;-) uncharitable people may say also a leisurely five mile walk as well, but it is not that slow! Worth it though oh my word yes Slowly tearing what little is left of my hair over the face room at the moment.... Dotty Doc Cooper