Another potential thing I discovered whilst teaching myself this stuff, mostly from Bloodsong's tuts... Do not not NOT atempt to edit a CR2 file for a conformer in cr2edit. I don't know why... well, I kinda do, but I don't know why it only seems to really affect conformers... Basically, I was trying to pull out MTs in CR2Edit and things kept going awry. I could not figure out what I was doing wrong, kept thinking I was pulling somehting I shouldn't have by accident. Then I got a wild hair up my arse and decided to simply open an existing Mike clothes CR2 and save it to a new filename from CR2Edit. No changes at all. It was hosed. Mangled. Looking at it in CR2Edit it looked identical to the original. I think the lines are flipped or something. I'm not really sure. But since then I've done all my CR2 editing in gvim (www.vim.org) and I'm having success now and even hacking in new body parts and things ('hood', for instance, in my hooded cowl) and it's been working fine.