Aldaron, i live in a rural area, mountains (or properly they should be called hills....) all around. Very few plants manage to remain free of some form of attack and decay, often showing in their leaves, though the plants survives... Instead of the greenhouse plant look, was trying for what i more typically saw in the wild. Not beyond helpful criticism by any means, i believe it's the only way to improve is by seeing through other's eyes, but at the same time feel the need to know that the one offering the advice knows of what they speak. Have checked the post and gallery of those that offer me advice and use this to weigh what is said. Ties in to the discussion that is going on here at the moment. To me art is a fun pastime, what i am after may not be what another is, neither is the more "correct", and both of us may not understand what or why the other does as they do, i post to find a concensus with those that share similar interest in the same direction as myself, and use what is gratefully said, criticism or praise, to see what i have managed to do in a different perspective... best, hewsan