Been seeing the image i posted here a bit different since making my last post. On one hand i am pleased that i managed to manipulate bryce's mats to produce very close to what i wanted... On the other hand feel that i may have went to far in that direction for general use in using them in any type of completed scene. Toning down the "diseased" look is something that will be much easier to accomplish then what i did to get this. And of course can go from what's seen here through to completly healthy specimens to add visual variety... Thanks again, and I'm glad that i posted here. best, hewsan