Zhann, I think I've seen the right-hand sort of tree (looking at the screen) in mountainous areas where there is less water ( I live on the west coast). About your snow...I'm not sure whether you are after frosty trees or trees with big blobs of snow stuck to the branches. For big blobs of snow, couldn't you just do a highly smoothed terrain or symmetrical lattice, copy it umpteen times and stick it on all the branches? Thanks for sharing your experiments with us, I hadn't thought about snowing trees before. Lin