Ok, so other than using the filter, clouds, you want an alternative way? off the tangent, I am glad I am getting into Photoshop more and left Poser alone for a while. That room is rough. And sometimes Bryce is the same. Just some people cannot take a kind "suggestion" Well, anyway I just received my Total Training for P7. I might finally figure out what all things do. I attended the seminar for Digital Video which included Premiere, After Effects, Photoshop 7, and Illustrator 10. I hope to dump some of the stuff in my head out onto the floor and learn something in the process. Being a visual person is hard to learn from just reading books. At least for me. I truly only like to look at the pictures. so back again to the first question and not the rambling filler. That is the challenge? Sharp crisp well defined fluffy little clouds, not ones that look like smears.