draculaz, In defense of the freestuff I tried to theme it in with the "Lost in Space" TV series in celebration of the fact that I was finally was able to find the elusive James Murphy's site, and the Poser 5 characters are named Don and Judy(Tewo of the characters in "Lost In Space"). I guess you would have had to read the original post to understand that and been a fan of "Lost In Space" to boot. I agree that the ground terrain could have been better. I was not really concerned about it, and I guess it showed. I thought about redoing it, but at 19 hours/render I simply didn't have time. I am glad that you thought that the background added validity - that is the only part that I really concentrated on and I guess that shows too. Also under the Lighting That I was using you couldn't read the sign that reads "Welcome To Planet Y". I sacrificed some 3d effect to make sure that you could read the sign especially the Y. They landed on the wrong planet true to the nature of the series. But I did think of something in terms of depth I hadn't thought of before due to your post, so I thank you for that. Rod Sterling said that you should never assume your audience is less intelligent than you are, but what I failed to gleen from his statement is that just because your audience is intelligent doesn't mean that they are familiar with the same things that you are. Something for me to remember in the future. (Probably others as well.) - TJ