Sorry to hear you're having these problems. Every time I see this sort of thread I'm glad I haven't bought P5 yet. I understand your frustration. It's unfortunate that software companies release faulty products in the first place. It would save the customers so much grief if they worked right from the start without having to use patches and updates that come with their own faults as well. I have a friend who did buy it and she's had nothing but problmes. She hasn't been able to do anything with it since she bought it. So far, she hasn't been able to get one render from it. When you put out a lot of money on something, you expect it to work right. If I buy a kitchen stove, I expect the burners to get hot, not lukewarm. Same with software. I expect it to function as advertised. Melanie