tuttle, with those examples you gave I agree that's not art. but the pic that draculaz stated was simplistic in his other post, even though they were simple objects it was pleasing to the eye and the composition was rather nice. Would I say it's award winning art? Who knows. As an example (can't find the post now) somone not too long ago posted somthing about simplistic art that he did for another forum to prove a point that art doesn't have to be complex to be good. In his art was just a single figure of a man and cubes and stuff to suggest buildings without all the details and stuff. He actually had people willing to pay for prints. I'm sure those renders took only a few minutes to setup yet they spoke volumes. Each to his own. The point was more complex doesn't mean better. As for my post above I apologize, going back and reading it, it sounds a bit harsh and I didn't intend to come off that way.