heyas; you mean that dark area along the lower tip of the beak looks darker in the firefly render? did you try it without a texture map? i noticed firefly was much more picky about the texture maps it was rendering, much sharper with them. so much more sharp that seams that used to match up don't match up any more. that was annoying. the poser and firefly rendering engines ARE different, and will give different looks. oh, is that the pro pack render and the p5 p4 render? did you do a p4 draft render or a p4 final render? well, they did something to make the two different varieties; so i expect the p4 render engine is not the same in p5 as it was in p4/ppp. but i dunno. i'd try it with no texture map.