Lapis , thank you for your concerns , I am still here! Iam very displeased with the rushed nature that is the P5 release and the fired out the door lame sr1 wonder fix. in a word its... shovelware !! oohh well its only money (last dollars CL will ever get from me) I am VERY VERY displeased with the censorship of my visual statements. YES its SUPPOSED to ilicite a responce and even stir up emotoions good or bad. Art is not always pretty. (I thought better of this site , ah well live and learn) Happy rendering, Jeff