I am glad I am here and with the right people. Also with the right stuff. I have accumulated tons of "crap" programs only to find, they don't have good tutorials or only a readme.txt. I had brought home the P7 tutorial had not a chance to use yet, still fighting with my picture idea and the darn challenge. Using only 2 filters UMMMMMMMMM It may take me time, if someone comes up with it before me, I won't look, I will mention when I am over my head. I am thinking of eventually getting the After Effects and the Premiere from Total, have to save up for those, but am currently downloading the free tutorial sections to see what I am getting into since I purchased them (Premiere is backordered due to popular demand so my order has not arrived). I spent way over my budget for the DV package. Oh, I did get prior the Bert Monroy book, watching him on TechTV really got me interested in the Adobe products, besides finding this site, further fueling the fire. For the After Effects I picked up the two books written by Trish & Chris Meyer. I probably should have posted this as a new entry. But it is part if TA's challenge. And what is up with all the abusive egotistic attacks lately? Must all be friends with Drac. I could be that way but reserve my energy as to not waste anyone's time in having to read through it. Nor do I like to visit the sewer. Anyway, It looks like I have two mentors whom do not know what they got themselves into. Me, I am not afraid to ask stupid questions, repeat questions, nor even if I know it is on page 2 of chapter 1 of the book. Just as long as the recipient does not get annoyed. If so, I only ask about 40 questions a week minimum. I hope I get as good as I think I can and as good as you guys here. The mature ones Ken