Sherlock, - My take on the Eve model- Torino redesigned the P4 Posette with some new geometry and joint parameters to make some of the parts, particularly around the hip and shoulders, bend in a more natural fashion. Traveler added some further revisions, and I believe he adapted Hellborn's redesigned hip to get the Eve-WWG figure. Although clearly a superior model, -- & free! -- the improvements meant that the existing morphs, maps, & conforming models were not compatible. The abundance of material available for the P3 & P4 figures has (IMHO) tended to limit Eve's use, primarily, to more experienced users who appreciate the differences and can deal with the incompatibility problems. (Ironic that the failure of Eve to become more widely accepted could be blamed on the likes of Traveler & tlaubach for all the wonderful stuff they gave us for the P4 Posette) ...and some of us Luddites are still having problems giving up our P3 models. I don't think this bodes well for Millie.