Dave, what I think you need is a good breakthrough to happen to you. Mine was figuring out why I was getting those Caught exception C errors. and then testing and proving (At least to my system) that I had a real soulution. With me it was getting the firefly to work with my characters. Last night I figured it out and was able to end the day on a up note. Since then, I've posted an image. and rendered then thing the way i wanted and got the shot. For me it turned out to be Nipple bump maps, take em off and presto! P5 does a good thing for me and really work. So My suggestion to you is go after the one thing you want from poser and get that bull roped. Once you got it, then the rest should not feel like such an uphill fight.