It seems freestuff has sruck a cord on the forum: Well freestuff has it's place, and because of the time limits on challenges why not here. Basically, if you will, you can think of them as placeholders in this regard - to be replaced at a later time by your own models. Where I feel that they have no place is in a gallery picture as there are no timelimits on that - you are not rushed - in gallery pictures it should %100 your work. Perhaps the same thing sould be said for actual contests when you are competing for a prize, but that depends in part on the rules of the contest, I guess. - TJ