Regret the probable tone of my post as well... jeeesh, you see i have this problem, when i am doing, i don't think, if that makes sense, get sort of into the zen of it.... and when someone asks "how did i... or how do you do...." i really wish to be helpful, and then find that i have usually left out some important steps, or find myself wondering if what i wished to communicate was understood.... and so i overstate at times what i think is important. Think i am going to make some bread as well, but think cranberry nut bread would taste good. Late in the morning & i'm a vampire - to many years of night shifts.... best to you, and hope you understand.... hewsan