I am an outsider to this forum, and you do not know me, nor i you, maybe that will matter to some.... But i find your discussion fasinating. Not long back in the number of years, fine art magazines showed full page spreads of brycian ray traced balls over a brycian water and where it was raytraced - this was thought to be great and fantastic art. Now no matter how new a user is, much more is done, partly because of the rendering capabilities of our machines. I have spent a month building a single model, detail upon detail, to the point where the poly counts built to a point where it was useless for anything more then just having done it... and seen some free stuft that would take me a long while to do myself - if i wished to reinvent that wheel. If i needed it for a scene i would not hesitate to use. I do art as an escape, post few things, and enjoy just the doing. I would hope that most others felt the same. And I would like to see Ariannah's works and if possible give a few pointers that she should consider with a grain of salt...