It will be nice when I can say the same about Poser 5. I asked CL if they would trade software. P5 for P4. They flaty refused me. Not exactly great customer service. I have imaged some fairly high end clients here in Canada and if any pulled what I have seen so far with their latest product release, they'd be dead in the water. I believe if CL doesnt get things sorted out soon they will be also. In my opinion, I think CL is very fortunate that they do not currently have any competition. As I said before, I am not alone with my problems with this prematurely released software. I have dialogued with others who I won't mention because they are very credible, high profile artists and designers and they are also quite unhappy. It is an unfortunate situation that CL finds themselves in but to knowingly release something with that many bugs as proved by there quick patch release, and comments admitting their premature release by you know who, they have brought it on themselves. I recognize this as an Imaging nightmare. If they were my client it would be a real challange to set things strait. The only thing saving them now is there current monopoly. But I'll bet sells are dwindling as more negative feedback pours out along with unfavorable reviews. Its really too bad because its shaken the poser community wouldn't you agree? By the way it is just after 5am here in Western Canada. Have a nice day.