Well, technically speaking it's impossible to write a program of more then five lines long that is bug free, (it's "corectness" is mathematically unprovable) but that said I do think this has been an unmitigated PR disaster. OK, so CL are a small company experiencing financial problems in the midst of a global ecconomic downturn, and I don't doubt for an instant, provided they're still here in 6 months, that they'll eventually sort it all out. But given that times are hard for many folks, not just CL, I would have thought that would have at least made a public appology for getting thier customers to effectively beta test for them. If only because it makes them look bad. I personally have no intention of removing any software from my system, (and certainly not my Antivirus software) if P5 can't hack it in my environment it's got no business being there. I'll stick with P4. I spent 1000+ Euros buying and upgrading, (memory) a new box to put it on, knowing it'd crawl on my laptop. I'll make any reasonable changes, I'll upgrade drivers, etc. But beyond that I expect it to work and be usable 90% of the time, everything else I've installed is. later jb