yes, i don't care for rhino's renderer. i would LOVE to have lightwave, and, it is up things to buy when i have more money. i've been using bryce, since version 2, and, get some pretty nice renders with that. now, that i have learned to make my own stuff....i can export with as few polys as possible speeding up my render time. as for making things with "limbs"...i do regular body parts...then the limbs....blending trial and error that it is can be forced into working. i just like to be able to draw what i am making. of course, they don't look as precise as some of the polygon models, out there, but, i don't care....i am more after feelings, than precision.