Kendra, please don't think I consider people selfish, etc. simply because they don't respond to a problem. That wasn't my meaning at all. Nor do I feel everyone should suffer, that'd be crazy. I've responded to a number of posts with positive remarks and glad feelings that P5 worked well for them. All I was trying to do here is point out how we have all been used and taken advantage of. And I simply can't understand how anyone could be happy about that. So am I posting this because I want to bring people down? No. I'm posting because I want CL to know we're not fools or suckers...that we know what they did (and are continuing to do with that buggy, problem-causing protection scheme). Cresent, you state above: "There's been a lot of posts where people have tried to offer solutions and work arounds to problems, or asked if others have noticed similar issues so a compresensive and coherent report could be sent to CL so the issue could get fixed sooner. I think that's very representative of this community." I have done the same as often as possible. Even with my limited experience I think I've helped a few. I also worked closely with Brian from CL on the XML bug that was causing people to reinstall. Together, with one other guy (can't remember his name), we found the cause and the solution in a couple of hours. That does give me a feeling of community, just like the feeling I have in my own town. If someone dumped a huge load of trash in the middle of my street, I'd be pissed. Even if it wasn't in front of my house and even if I could drive around it effortlessly, I'd still be pissed. And if Poser 5 worked flawlessly for me, I'd still be pissed that CL did this to my community.