Well spoken Jackson my man! I also believe if you look to the square root of the problem it is and always has been CL. Yet somehow, interestingly enough, in some people's minds they are always portrayed as saints. This faulty a product, I believe, is totally unacceptable. I also believe that eventually the wheel will come around and if CL doesn't look after the market place, the market place will take care of them. But in the meantime some of us are left with a real mess to sort out. We will keep trying to sort it out even though we shouldn't have to. Jackson, here's a question for you. Would you have bought P5 knowing what you know now?