both narsil. you can find them at http://members.ozemail.com.au/~dproc/ as far as i know the download is still free. the only reason they used flying machines in the movie was they couldn't figure out at the time how to make the legs work. i wish they would make a version today with the today tech and use the striders. i think they could be impressive. many thanks for the time machine. i was trying to make a model of the one in the last movie but i couldn't find a detailed enough image to do it