And hey AS, my first language isnt English either! And how does one know that one of these images is not being submitted by a Martian???? Would Turing apply here too? Was just wondering! BTW. AS, your general knowledge (or at least whos who knowledge is fantastic!!!!) I do love all the critique thing happening. Its good for our Art and its good for our community! It helps us communicate meaningfully! Hey Tuttle, thanx for all your input on my image. Hope Aldron didnt mind my verbiage, as well as some of the other challengers! :-D Avi PS Je parle Francais, tres peu und gespracht Deutsch auch! ;-) Can't say much about spellings :-P