Maybe these people need to go to work and do the poser stuff in their spare time. I worked 12 hour shifts as a nurse and still had time to do my programming because it was important to me. And yes, I have a family. I know lots of people who do this and you won't hear them slamming someone because he felt he could support the Poser community by giving away quality models. There are a lot of folks who can only use freestuff because they don't have the money to spend on models and textures and such. If I ever find out who it was that said those things I will NEVER buy from them, and I think the rest of this community feels the same. So they are taking food out of their own kid's mouth. Talk about lame. Marque