I have to agree with Kosmokrat here.. I use P4 as a tool for making figures for my trueSpace pics.. 5 just ain't worth the money for me.. if the hair, (the excuse that it's too many polys to export? BAH! I've used DXF landscapes from my copy of Vistapro 4 that ran into 10 or 20 megabytes b4 now.. the poly count is easy to reduce), cannot be exported? useless to me. if the new conforming clothes cannot be frozen and exported? useless to me. the new firefly render? won't be using it anyway, since I'll be using tS with Volumetrics, Radiosity, etc etc etc... Kai