I haven't gotten any C exceptions and I've used a lot of different textures-face and body. I also don't have the patch--cause I didn't know what I was going to get into (both with installing it AND any resultant problems--and I've gone along nicely with P4 'as is'-I don't put a lot of strain on it, I guess, because I import usually for anything other than a straight pose to Bryce). You're telling me, I guess, that I need to do that G. ---sigh----. Does anyone want to just suggest what it entails? (or is it one of those easy patches??). Diane B