I used the low res pose mats for the face. The only thing I did in Face room was to change some features. The original render was 912X1005 using white background. Raytracing was off. I used Production render. I quit checking the render after 42 minutes as I had to have dinner. So when it stopped rendering I don't know. I let it go until I returned but it was a minimum of 42 minutes. I also used the P4 render in P5. Same dimensions and all boxes checked off except the last one. This took 6 minutes. The other figure on the right was rendered in Poser4 and took all of 2 minutes for a 912X1075 render. I also use multiple figures in Poser so I'll stick with Poser4 and save the P5 until I can get a faster machine! As far as I'm concerned, for what I paid since having poser, I shouldn't have to use postwork for the figure. Never did with Poser4 and Daz unless I was applying a transparent veil or some such thing. And Velen, very nice work. Wish I can get close.