just read this thread im glade I stuck with p4 propack now after all the problems I read, and this includes my programmer instructer during our break time him and I both agree that CL has alot of programmer issues to realease a product that is so unuser friendly anyways im not too sure about the specs on running the program now granted I dont use P5 but with my P4 propack I run on a very weak system a home buitl intel celeron 333mhz with only 160 Ram and P4 propack works fine on my system, I also use 3d studio max and bryce 5 on the same system and have no problems so again I still question the honesty of CL it dose appear to be going down the tubes fast, but this is just a rumor that MS will be coming out with a 3d program along the lines of Poser type, if this be the case weather CL gets the problem fixed or not if MS realses a program most likely CL will be gone or bought out by them just by MS track record of dominating the software industry, but then again as I said this was a rumor I heard so take as you will anyways good luck p5 people I hope you get your problems solved Dark_Raven