Thanks guys I fixed the problem just had to be a little more patient....(which is something I need to learn specially when im going to school for computer programming...;-) anyways you both help me out alot given i had no real image to show you but your tips got me the results I wanted so when I get this site done to diplay my poser stuff and other things I will have a link for everyone to come join the fun there will be some fun things to do there anyways thanks again guys Dark Raven