Trust me its very possiable to run powerful programs on old systems if programmed correctly for example If I told you I could develop a 3d game such as Quake III in Visual Basic rather then c++ you probably think Im full of S**t well guess what? It can be done VB can be use to develop High Speed 3D games compariable to any game created in C++ and here is why? Windows API Function can speed up any type of program this being said to say CL cant program p5 to work on less then high tech systems is full of crap im assuming they did it in C++ or actually C cause very few programmers actually use the "++" part of C for verious reason which would be to long to explain anyways I think CL again didnt take into account what systems their consumers will be using, they just assumed everyone has money to spend 2000 + dollars on powerful systems then another 500 every 6 months to update the system or spend more money to buy the latest system just so they can use P5. Also a side note most games, or application you buy now days exception of graphic programs the specs still require a pentium 200mhz on atleast believe it or not windows 95, so again I believe all the problems go back to the programming practices of CL so we atleast agree on that point. To sum it up I think CL just like MS dose often is try to realease products before they are ready the diffrence is MS is much bigger then CL will ever be and can fix there problems faster. Lets face it there will be bugs in every program release but as Programmer its your responsablity never the user for bugs you know that will happen in the program, if you say oh well we fix that if it becomes an issue is very poor programming and more importantly bad business. Dark Raven