Soulhunter, Im sorry I think you miss my point but in away you kinda of explained it better first off about programming for weaker systems you kinda of stated what I was trying to point out that you program for the weakest system possible meaning how old of a system can you use with out compermising the purpose of the program. also I believe I stated in another post about not sure what type of progamming language they actually used, and the fact that a program for 3d graphics proabably demands a little more performance power then other application but still you do have to take into account what type of system you average user will be using Second of all all your right yuou still have to use direct X direct 3d, direct Draw with Visual Basic as the same with C++, but the common factor that brings visual basic up to C++ is the windows API, they both have the ability to use those functions, and they dont really do any math they just allow you to call the function that were use to design windows program since you using windows those function are avaiable to you and dosent have to search as hard for them as it would if you were using standeerd Active X function, anyways this all klnda of minute point since logically Poser 5 was not done in visual basic and since I read it dosent use direct x anyways to clearify my point about c++ What I meant was people that program in C++ dont use the ++ part of C++ meaning basicly they are still programming in C and the reason why is once you start to use the ++ part of C++ you run the risk of slowing down your programs speed that is what I meant as far ss Visual Basic.Net for now that program kinda of in the same catagory as Poser 5 to many bugs and problems with it most companies refuse to switch to using visual basic.net but I better hold my tongue on that one cause it seems they will be adding it to my classes for my bachlars degree so looks like Im going to have an additional 10 weeks of school tact on to my degree anyways now that I ramble on for a bit again I have one question that seems to bother me now so basicly I have a very good video card dose this mean its worthless when using Poser, as far as the direct x and open gl ability?