CRAP! just lost my entire post... grrrr. The jist of it is this.... Alleycat, Silver, I feel for the both of you and know exactly where you're coming from. I intend when I set up my own website to offer up both free and for sale work. It's about control to me. If I want to have control, I'll charge for it, if I don't, I'll offer it for free and let whomever do whattever with it except redistribute it for a profit. Sell the art you make with it, that's what it's there for. I get the pleasure then of seeing a creation of mine in (hopefully) great art. Being a web designer, I have felt the sting of cousin Timmie stealing accounts, embittering businesses towards the whole internet and taking money from my pocket. I also understand that almost all web designers have to start out as a cousin Timmie though. It's almost a rite of passage. Oh well, till there becomes an organization like the AMA or Teamsters for web design, this will continue. LOL designing without a license... what a concept. The software industry seems to have a collective disdane for the private individual, books, software and other items related to computers have been deliberately priced out of John Q. Public's reach because they don't want to deal with them. They want the professional consumer and corporate buyer who'll buy in groups of 10 site licenses 100 books or more. Also, they'll pay the outrageous prices so their profit margines will retain their %40 growth rate or higher to keep their shareholders happy. They truely want to eliminate pirates? Simple, drop all software prices below $100 per unit. Personally I don't buy a DVD or videogame if it costs more than 20 bucks. Why bother? Wait for it on sale or borrow it from a friend. If they really wanted my money, they'd price accordingly. They are creating their own problem and are screaming like a monkey with it's hand caught in the jar holding the grapes. Well that's my 50 bucks worth....