i vote with wgreenlee....i did not, am not, most likely never will buy p5....i am saving for lightwave. anything i need to do with poser can be done with p4...except render...i like bryce...had it since version 2...it renders well...and, the new bmrt, with hdri shaders are very, very promising, if i could take the time to learn them. poser...i will keep installed for figure setup purposes...that is, until i can afford something special.