Poser 5 is still worth every penny and more. I had even worse experiences with Maya when I purchased that program. Imagine spending $5000.00 on a product that didnt work for the first year that you owned it. Microsoft has yet to release a product that they didnt have to patch at least 2 times. Macs are a little bit better but not perfect either. Really I dont know of a single product that I have ever purchased that was completely bug free. I too would like to see companies put in a little more effort before they release something, and even push the release date back if they have to. But humans make these products and humans make mistakes. I say cast the first stone if you have never made a mistake in your life. I know it is frustrating paying for something that is not perfect, and I have felt the same frustrations when the program gets stuck on a render, or the head doesnt line up in the pose room. And I know there are some disappointed people that are complaining about the stability of P5 and the integrity of Curious Labs. I just want to say that the program kicks ass, there are features that you would have to spend at least $8,000.00 in another app to get the same results... (Hair, Cloth Dynamics, etc.). Even if you did purchase one of the other apps at a much heavier price tag you still would not be able to produce the same kind of results in the amount of time that you can with P5. The new morph putty tool alone is worth the upgrade. See how many hours it would take you in another program to create a model, texture a model, create the bone structure, and then apply all the morph possibilities that are offered in a single P5 character. You would soon duck your head in shame over your bickering. I know for a fact that Curious Labs is very committed to bringing their customers the best value for the money and they wont stop until the program is stable and until their customers are happy. $189.99 is a drop in the bucket compared to what this program is worth. I know all may not welcome my opinions, but it just drives me crazy to see how critical people are. Enough said ChristianB