thanx zhann the settings for the cedar/pine trees are in the tutorial at brycetech.com ..its the same tree settings for those. The others are just random trees selected from the tree lab...Maples, oak, and the like. I randomly selected a tree and changed the leaf color (sometimes only slightly, sometimes significantly) also randomly selected a tree and changed the leaf count then all I did was duplicate like mad and place 'em everywhere (by landing them, grouping them all, then dragging the group down slightly to embed it) it was easy :) BT