I agree ChristianB, that P5 at $189 is a drop in the bucket, and all that...but it ain't worth a plugged nickel if it doesn't work....and I'm not talking perfection here...I can't even get a render off all the time....Hair ???? dynamics???? Maybe I"m one of few, that are having all these problems, and I'll be right along side of you....if it works on my system...to this point, it hasn't and doesn't.... I have the right, and will express my opinion, and be as critical as I want in regards to P5 or any product. I'm a fair guy...I can praise as loud as I can be critical...just ask Dan Farr over at DAZ...or Steve Cooper, as far as that goes....I spread my words equally in all directions :) I still think the condition of products in general would become much more stable and useable right out of the shoot if more people spoke up...gave credit where it is due, and hit pretty hard when criticsm is needed. In the case of Poser 5...there are some real nice features to this program, no doubt about it, and from the propaganda, it seems most users are having pretty good success running it, congrats to all of you, and I hope you continue having fun and some productivity...but for those of us having multitudes of problems, I think we deserve to express our opinions. It may seem like bitching and whining over and over and over, but its extremely frustrating....it is also frustrating knowing you have basically thrown a couple of hundred dollars down the toilet...not all of us are rolling in cash or have the luxury of being able to write the cost off to business expenses or to a company expense account. I've tried to tone down my bitching to at least try to gather some information that may help me work around or even fix the problems I'm having...I don't think I'm bitching just for the sake of bitching...I've been sending my bug reports to CL...and trying to make light of the whole ordeal...but it ain't easy.

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