Dirk5027 I did exactly as you suggested, other than the bitching and whiningg here part...I like to jump in with all feet and hands.... After a few days of running P5 with plenty of problems, I requested my money back from CL....We had a discussion, and I agreed to work with them to see if the patch solved my problems. It solved some, didn't solve some, and created others. I have continued to send in bug reports. Unfortunately, "working" with CL is a one-sided affair. I have not had any responses from their tech suppport. Perhaps they have written me off as a non-fixable client. If that's the case, fine...you won't hear from me here anymore....because I'm ditching Poser 4 as well....I'm not going to deal with any of it...it isn't worth the agravation to me. I curently have 2 emails sitting in CL customer service inbox from last night explaining my current situation. I'm hoping to hear from someone soon. Its either fix it or cash back...now.

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