Thanks for the models and mats, man....love those ships and I'm working on a scene with them (and managed to get a whole fleet in there this time). The only difference between buying something and getting it for free....if it is free I have no right to bitch about it, but if I payed for it I'll raise the roof. As it stands, Alleycat probobly won't loose many sales over this, if any. I'm not going to go out and buy anything from the marketplace here or elsewhere unless: A:I think it is just awesome and gotta have it AND it is rediculously cheap ( the mil dragon from daz comes to mind). B:I'm going to get paid for the resulting image and I need it for that image, and I can't make it myself or find it for free without commercial restrictions. If software were less expensive, there would be alot less warez going on. If warez were less common, software would be alot cheaper. Kinda sad....